I feel like there's still a perhaps unconscious desire people
have to stay around people of their own skin color.

Like an atheist in church, not many want to be a minority of one.

Luther King Jr.'s message, that skin color shouldn't matter, and I think everyone should be able to live together and mix.

In public, yes. For breeding and other social purposes, everyone has a
right to personal preference. Whatever that may be.

Genetic diversity originated from the DNA of a single human pair. With
the unproven and unprovable theory of evolution, the Devil has atheists
right where he wants them. Beguiled and ignorant.


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Re: Re: race
By: Jcurtis to NIGHTFOX on Sat May 31 2025 01:33 pm

Genetic diversity originated from the DNA of a single human pair. With the unproven and unprovable theory of evolution, the Devil has atheists right where he wants them. Beguiled and ignorant.

I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion that evolution is unprovable..? And how do we know God himself didn't set evolution in motion? Also, the idea that we all descended just from Adam & Eve suggests that there must have been a lot of inbreeding at first, which we all know is problematic. We have a lot of genetic diversity in the world today - How does that come about if we all came from only 2 people? I've seen people debate this online, and I've seen some say the story of Adam & Eve is a parable, not a literal record of historical events.

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I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion that evolution is unprovable..? And how do we know God himself didn't set evoluti in motion? Also, the idea that we all descended just from Adam & Eve suggest that there must have been a lot of inbreeding at first, which we all know is problematic. We have a lot of genetic diversity in the world today - How doe that come about if we all came from only 2 people? I've seen people debate this online, and I've seen some say the story of Adam & Eve is a parable, not literal record of historical events.

If you believe Moses, it's literal. As Jesus said, if they don't believe
Moses, they won't believe miracles either.

God knows genetics better than we do. He made man flawless. Adam could
have lived forever, but Adam broke the law, and God revoked his genetic
license to everlasting life, starting a gradual genetic decline. But it
took generations before inbreeding became a health issue. Not a problem
in the early years.

If God started evolution the Bible would say. Evolution is the Devil's
great hoax. It doesn't pass the scientific method test.


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Re: Re: race
By: Nightfox to Jcurtis on Sun Jun 01 2025 01:35 pm

I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion that evolution is unprovable..?

I think the idea is that it is not directly observable. This is, that you won't see a Merychippus give birth to a Pliohippus, and therefore establishing an evolutive relationship between them is a hypothesis at best.

If you get really anal about it, you cannot prove gravity either.

I dislike the implication that the theory of evolition is rubbish because it is non-falsable... it is a bit hypocritical because the "theory" of the Abrahamic god is also non-falsable.



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Re: Re: race
By: Jcurtis to NIGHTFOX on Sun Jun 01 2025 02:36 pm

God knows genetics better than we do. He made man flawless. Adam could
have lived forever, but Adam broke the law, and God revoked his genetic

If man was flawless, and Adam was a man, Adam was flawles.

The law of God is flawless.

Things that offend the law of God are not flawless.

Adam (flawless) broke the law of god (flawless), but this is an impossibility because that would make Adam flawed. This is a contradiction.


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If man was flawless, and Adam was a man, Adam was flawles.
The law of God is flawless.
Things that offend the law of God are not flawless.
Adam (flawless) broke the law of god (flawless), but this is an
impossibility because that would make Adam flawed. This is a
contradiction.

Flawless genetics and free will are not the same thing. Easy to
understand. Should not be hard.


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Re: Re: race
By: Jcurtis to NIGHTFOX on Sat May 31 2025 01:33 pm

Genetic diversity originated from the DNA of a single human pair. With the unproven and unprovable theory of evolution, the Devil has atheists right where he wants them. Beguiled and ignorant.

I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion
that evolution is unprovable..?

Because it's a theory, and can't be reproduced in a lab or other
controlled setting. There is absolutely no evidence of one
species (or kind) changing from one to another.

Birds are birds; dogs are dogs; cats are cats. There are many
different cat TYPES or breeds, but they are all cats or felines.
We have never observed a cat turning into a dog - or any kind
changing into another entirely.

And how do we know God himself didn't
set evolution in motion?

Because He tells us, through the writing of Moses, that "in the beginning
He created male and female" and these human beings were made AFTER the
ocean animals, land animals, plants, etc.

Jesus confirms this and says the Old Testament is fact. He said He
was God, that He would be killed and rise again - and then He did
exactly that, proving He was who/what He said He was.

So, in a way, we can look BACK at the OT with the support of the
only One that laid down His own life and then picked it back up
again.

Also, the idea that we all descended just
from Adam & Eve suggests that there must have been a lot of inbreeding
at first, which we all know is problematic.

Not at first it's not. It's problematic TODAY because of all the problems
that we have in our genome. When things were new and 'God called it good,' their genetic material hadn't yet accumulated the damage and mutations
we see today due to sin and time.

Adam and Eve had many, many sons and daughters. To our modern ears, this
sounds gross that they interbred, but to them? No problem at all!

We have a lot of genetic
diversity in the world today - How does that come about if we all came from only 2 people?

The same way it happens with dogs... It only takes a few generations for
an impressive amount of genetic variety to show up.

I've seen people debate this online, and I've seen
some say the story of Adam & Eve is a parable, not a literal record of historical events.

I recommend Answers in Genesis - https://answersingenesis.org They
have scientists on staff that have studied this very thing, and they
have a Biblical Creationist worldview.

And I've heard that theory that it's a 'story' - a way to describe
to people living at the time of Moses the fact that we all come
from God. The problem with this is you lose Genesis 3:15 and the
seed war. You lose the curse of sin. You lose 'the first Adam' and
thus lose Jesus being 'the second Adam.'

Without a literal Adam and Eve, you don't just lose the Genesis
account. You undercut the very foundation for the gospel itself.





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Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion that evolution is unprovable..?

I think the idea is that it is not directly observable. This is, that
you won't see a Merychippus give birth to a Pliohippus, and therefore establishing an evolutive relationship between them is a hypothesis at best.

Historical science vs observable science.

I dislike the implication that the theory of evolition is rubbish
because it is non-falsable... it is a bit hypocritical because the "theory" of the Abrahamic god is also non-falsable.

Except we have an eyewitness account and someone who says that it is
true and then proceeded to be who and what He said He was. :-)



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Re: Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Nightfox on Wed Jun 04 2025 09:23 pm

I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion that
evolution is unprovable..?

Because it's a theory, and can't be reproduced in a lab or other controlled setting. There is absolutely no evidence of one species (or kind) changing from one to another.

Well there would have to be some evidence, or else nobody would have come up with the theory of evolution. But I'm not an expert.. It seems to me, though, that it's natural for things to change, and we have seen gene mutations, so there's that..

And how do we know God himself didn't set evolution in motion?

Because He tells us, through the writing of Moses, that "in the beginning He created male and female" and these human beings were made AFTER the ocean animals, land animals, plants, etc.

I don't think that suggests that God didn't set evolution in motion.. It only says God created male and female/Adam and Eve. And where does the bible say that happened after creating ocean/land animals etc.? That would also account for the dinosaurs being around before humans (which we have plenty of fossil evidence for), but I've heard some people say the Genesis story seems to conflict with the idea of there being dinosaurs on Earth long before humans.

Jesus confirms this and says the Old Testament is fact. He said He was God, that He would be killed and rise again - and then He did exactly that, proving He was who/what He said He was.

I know there are accounts of people saying his tomb was guarded, but still his body was no longer there. Are those accounts reputable though? As far as I know, there has never been another account of anyone else doing that, so we know it's not a thing that typically happens.

We have a lot of genetic
diversity in the world today - How does that come about if we all came
from only 2 people?

The same way it happens with dogs... It only takes a few generations for an impressive amount of genetic variety to show up.

So, a species can evolve to develop other traits?

Without a literal Adam and Eve, you don't just lose the Genesis account. You undercut the very foundation for the gospel itself.

I thought the foundation of the gospel was that through belief in God and Jesus, we are forgiven for our sins. Or is that more of a New Testament thing?

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Re: Re: race
By: jimmylogan to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 09:23 pm

I dislike the implication that the theory of evolition is rubbish because
it is non-falsable... it is a bit hypocritical because the "theory" of
the Abrahamic god is also non-falsable.

Except we have an eyewitness account and someone who says that it is true and then proceeded to be who and what He said He was. :-)

Yes, if we are to believe and trust them, and the accounts of the people who say they saw Jesus' body missing from the tomb and seeing Jesus after his death. How do we know they weren't hallucinating, for instance?

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Re: Re: race
By: Nightfox to jimmylogan on Thu Jun 05 2025 10:21 am

I thought the foundation of the gospel was that through belief in God and Jesus, we are forgiven for our sins.

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Matthew 12:32 NKJV

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Re: Re: race
By: Nightfox to jimmylogan on Thu Jun 05 2025 10:21 am

I thought the foundation of the gospel was that through belief in God and Jesus, we are forgiven for our sins.

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven
him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be
forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12:32 NKJV

For someone who doesn't believe, you certainly do seem to read quite a
bit of the bible.

Think for a minute. How do you treat others? Do you actually treat them
in the same way you would like to be treated? It's like Rodney King
stated - 'Can't we all just get along?'

Have a great day!

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For someone who doesn't believe

I don't believe in atheism.

you certainly do seem to read quite a bit of the bible.

Everyone should. It cures ignorance.

Think for a minute. How do you treat others? Do you actually treat them
in the same way you would like to be treated? It's like Rodney King
stated - 'Can't we all just get along?'

Not in a battle of truth vs. lies. Why participate if that bothers you.

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